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Timor Leste to join ASEAN 2 by dinosaurusgede Timor Leste to join ASEAN 2 by dinosaurusgede
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Sorry, I changed the tittle because... I don't have enough material to focus on PNG. Thus, I will be focusing more on Timor Leste and ASEAN. ^^;

Dear Timor Leste,

7th December 1975, we remember your family members who died 36 years ago at the hands of the Indonesia military troops. On behalf of Indonesian people, I deeply apologize for the tragedy. The Indonesian government should admit its crime by not only submitting to the court’s ruling but also by apologizing to the family members of those who lost their lives in the massacre. The confession is really important to help both parties to sincerely forgive what had happened and move forward.

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Why, they ask, are the Indonesians invading us?
Why, they ask, if the Indonesians believe that Fretilin is communist, do they not send a delegation to Dili to find out?
Why, they ask, are the Australians not helping us? When the Japanese invaded, they did help us.
Why, they ask, are the Portuguese not helping us? We’re still a Portuguese colony.
Who, they ask, will pay for the terrible damage to our homes?
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“We will continue to work hard to help realize Timor Leste’s vision to be a member of ASEAN,”
(Indonesia Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa told his Timor Leste counterpart José Luis Guterres on Tuesday that Indonesia would continue with its support for Timor Leste’s bid to join the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) despite Indonesia no longer holding the chair of the 10-nation group.) Source :[link]

=> FRETILIN

The Revolutionary Front for an Independent East Timor (Portuguese: Frente Revolucionária de Timor-Leste Independente or FReTiLIn) is a leftist political party in East Timor. Source:[link]

=> East Timorese casualties

In March 1976, UDT leader Lopes da Cruz reported that 60,000 Timorese had been killed during the invasion.[52] A delegation of Indonesian relief workers agreed with this statistic.[53] In an interview on 5 April 1977 with the Sydney Morning Herald, Indonesian Foreign Minister Adam Malik said the number of dead was "50,000 people or perhaps 80,000".[33] A figure of 100,000 is cited by McDonald (1980) and by Taylor. Amnesty International estimated that one third of East Timor's population, or 200,000 in total, died from military action, starvation and disease from 1975 to 1999. In 1979 the U.S. Agency for International Development estimated that 300,000 East Timorese had been moved into camps controlled by Indonesian armed forces.[54]
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=> US approved 1975 Indonesian invasion of East Timor

Document 1, dated July 5 1975, is the record of a discussion between Ford and Suharto held at Camp David in the United States. The two leaders met just two months after the final US defeat in Vietnam, discussing their joint interests in suppressing political and ideological ferment in South East Asia. Suharto sought increased US military and intelligence assistance. He also bluntly declared that there was no alternative to incorporating East Timor, and labelled the Timorese political groups calling for independence as “Communist-influenced”.
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=> US Policy of Silence and Military Assistance for The Invasion

A year earlier, in December 1974, United States Secretary of State Henry Kissinger had been asked by an Indonesian government representative whether or not the US would approve the invasion.[62] In March 1975, U.S. Ambassador to Indonesia David Newsom, recommended a "policy of silence" on the issue and was supported by Kissinger.[63] On 8 October 1975, a member of the United States National Security Council, Philip Habib, told meeting participants that "It looks like the Indonesians have begun the attack on Timor." Kissinger's response to Habib was, "I'm assuming you're really going to keep your mouth shut on this subject."[64]

The US also played a crucial role in supplying weapons to Indonesia.[65] A week after the invasion of East Timor the National Security Council prepared a detailed analysis of the Indonesian military units involved and the U.S. equipment they used. The analysis revealed that virtually all of the military equipment used in the invasion was U.S. supplied: U.S.-supplied destroyer escorts shelled East Timor as the attack unfolded; Indonesian marines disembarked from U.S.-supplied landing craft; U.S.-supplied C-47 and C-130 aircraft dropped Indonesian paratroops and strafed Dili with .50 caliber machine guns; while the 17th and 18th Airborne brigades which led the assault on the Timorese capital were "totally U.S. MAP supported," and their jump masters U.S. trained.[68] While the US government claimed to have suspended military assistance from December 1975 to June 1976, military aid was actually above what the US Department of State proposed and the US Congress continued to increase it, nearly doubling it.[67] The US also made four new offers of arms, including supplies and parts for 16 OV-10 Broncos,[67] which, according to Cornell University Professor Benedict Anderson, are "specially designed for counter-insurgency actions against adversaries without effective anti-aircraft weapons and wholly useless for defending Indonesia against a foreign enemy." The policy continued under the Carter administration. In total, the United States furnished over $250,000,000 of military assistance to Indonesia between 1975 and 1979.[69]

Testifying before the US Congress, the Deputy Legal Advisor of the US State Department, George Aldrich said the Indonesians "were armed roughly 90 percent with our equipment. ... we really did not know very much. Maybe we did not want to know very much but I gather that for a time we did not know." Indonesia was never informed of the supposed US "aid suspension". David T. Kenney, Country Officer for Indonesia in the US State Department, also testified before Congress that one purpose for the arms was "to keep that area [Timor] peaceful."[70]

The UN's Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation in East Timor (CAVR) stated in the "Responsibility" chapter of its final report that U.S. "political and military support were fundamental to the Indonesian invasion and occupation" of East Timor between 1975 and 1999. The report (p. 92) also stated that "U.S. supplied weaponry was crucial to Indonesia's capacity to intensify military operations from 1977 in its massive campaigns to destroy the Resistance in which aircraft supplied by the United States played a crucial role."[71][72]
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=> Australia let Indonesia invade East Timor in 1975

Australia knew in advance of the 1975 Indonesian invasion of East Timor and stood by for three days while Jakarta's troops prepared for the attack, secret documents released yesterday by the government revealed. Memos, cables and letters sent and received by Australia's foreign department between 1974 and 1976 confirmed that Australia gave tacit approval to Jakarta to annex the former Portuguese colony.

Australia was the only western nation to recognise Indonesia's rule over East Timor.
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Timor Leste OC design by :iconbentez:
Hetalia belongs to Himaruya Hidekaz
Indonesia aph and Malaysia aph based on Himaruya's sketch. ([link])
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cha-ron-tine Featured By Owner Edited Sep 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I know this is old but tbh you could at least point out the fact that the USA populace were likely kept as much in the dark/conflicted as Indonesia's regarding the actions of their respective governments (PKI anyone?), to prevent them from lashing out at their leaders.

The way you portrayed it here makes it seem like Indonesia's army/dictatorship government didn't spend 25 years excessively killing and torturing people without remorse while keeping the general populace from figuring it out with nationalist propaganda (and afterwards apologized -- I think -- which is good, but they subsequently covered their own ass with censorship even after Suharto's downfall) but was instead completely forced into it by the US and hated every minute of it.

If you're opting for the government-only portrayal here then the Indonesia seen in the flashback should at the very least be characterized accordingly as its government at the time: controlling and ignorant of human rights. (In fact the Wikipedia article almost made it seem like Indonesia's government also made use of communist fears to gain support from western powers?)
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SinaDelendaEst Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015  New member
This is a very thoughtful comment, good points.
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Erwici-Cius Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Student
KALFRED, kamu dimana? sini.....parang ku mau ketemuan ama ente nih!! >8DDDD
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ileanawhiteshade912 Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Alfred can go die in a hole.
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xXNadira-aruXx Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013
ALFRED YOU BLOODY GIT,I'LL KILL YOU
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sugarhigh123 Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2013
U SO MEAN, ALFRED!
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:iconchocopochi:
chocopochi Featured By Owner May 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
A single pride of a nation can kill the whole world. This is madness. Human beings never learn once they start it all over again... :/
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Kiniro-chan Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I cannot agree more...
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reiler12 Featured By Owner May 11, 2013
I kill you american.
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lignamus10 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013
I swear Americans are idiots, Im half pinoy/mexican but was born and raised in the Americas and I do love the people and the idea of equality among the differences but for the love of god it's like no one here knows how to run politics. I mean seriously, if you take a look at our history we use "justice" to fight many unjust causes and every one is to stupid to see that the only reason they call it justice is so that the people who don't look at the entire situation and think for themselves believe they're doing the right thing. *sigh* I wish more people here knew how to think a little.
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Rustic-Hawk Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
In a way, America is cruel after all...
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:iconbirvan:
Birvan Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I wasn't aware of America's role in this (not like anyone tells things properly around here) DX
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dinosaurusgede Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It was a cold war era. USA are convinced his allies to fight the "evil" communism and return peace and stability to the Asia Pacific. Thus, he involved SEA nations like Australia, Philippines, etc in the Vietnam war, and Indonesia in Timur Lorosae invasion. All of the weapons are supplied by USA, the invasion are from US consent and it was USA who keep the media in the dark about this "invasion". We weren't given much choice, especially since USA supported our dictator president. Anyone who protested will be killed. I know some Timorese refugees who took shelter in our neighbourhood... it was dark times..
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Birvan Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Urg, that guy is all about heroes and villains, black and white. Even if he's often the one pulling the strings to create situations to justify his entrance as an "hero rescue" > >
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limaenam Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
I don't think it's as simple as that. the 'hero' mentality that we associate so much with US now has only developed during post-cold war era (if you pay attention closely america only uses the "I'm a hero!" catchphrase in strips set in present day)

this was mostly because of widespread paranoia. it was the 1970s; vietnam already fell into communism and a lot of americans thought that the rest of south east asia would too. not to mention soviet had reached nuclear parity by then. it's more of "don't lose to communism" and less of "we're the best and we're the hero."

it's easy to put all the blame on america but frankly all nations always try to forward their interests. america was hardly the only person pulling the strings. let's not forget the fact that indonesia tried to abuse the post-cold war era political sphere (that tended to lean towards third world nations) so that UN would side with indonesia instead of netherlands and even the native papuans during the takeover of papua in 1950s
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Birvan Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I can see that, but we have to admit him growing up as "the land of new opportunities" the "land of the free (from England)" and such helped. The paranoia alone isn't enough to form that hero mentality, in my opinion, though it definitely helped (as well has his role in the 2 world wars)

Yes, all countries pull their own strings to stay in power/alive. Germany is pulling tons of them in the EU and the other countries are not happy about it. But our problem with America's string pulling is the amount of damage he's causing for his own benefit
Like Germany the strings being pulled are threatening the countries own sovereignty (we don't have as much problems with China for example because he keeps things at financial level, at least here). But while Germany operates more within the European sphere, America's reach is worldwide and some of the tactics are down right nasty

P.S: Just so you know I condemn the hidden string pulling for everyone, Portugal included, not just America. The type of reach he has is what is scary and puts me on edge
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limaenam Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
I think I interpreted some of your previous sentences wrongly so I'm sorry and thanks for explaining yourself :)

yeah I agree with the whole "land of new opportunities" thing, american exceptionalism has definitely shaped the psyche of the americans and is probably one of the main reasons for the hero mentality. and I can see how the magnitude of america's actions is the one that concerns people the most, though I guess there's nothing I can say about that. part of it is definitely america's fault, but I also think that part of it is the world's fault for practically shoehorning america into filling up the vacuum in the world leadership, hence allowing its actions to have the very magnitude they're concerned with now. it's like the world was begging for america to be involved ("league of nations failed because you weren't involved!"), and once it is, they're complaining for america's involvement. this doesn't mean i agree with america's involvements (somalia was such a trainwreck), but sometimes the world acts like america owes something to them, like they are /entitled/, which is a really ridiculous notion, sadly :/
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chocopochi Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No one in the world begs America to get involved. USA involves itself inside the imperialism/colonization field. The Imperialist European countries, back then, sees USA as both a threat and a useful ally. The whole world has it's strings attached in the hands of the imperialist countries including USA. Neither Vietnam, nor China, nor Japan nor African, Asian and Latin American countries wants USA involve. USA has no strings attached in itself to be controlled with, USA is controlling itself and no one else. The ones who want America involve in such wars are just it's allies (UK, France, Russia ) because they can gain benefit from the war while America is around them. The whole world (except Europe & USA) had no power to make their own decisions back then since every non white countries were chained and put to silence. We didn't want America to involve but it always sticks it's ass on everyone's business like in Vietnam war or Korean war. We're not asking for it.

So I'm sorry if this backlashed you or contradicts your opinion but I can't help but to say that there is no reason the whole world should be blame with USA's involvement if USA involved itself in the battlefield in the first place.

Thank you for sharing your opinion though. :)
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limaenam Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013
I referred to america as a person asdlkfjf I meant nation of course.

hetalia what have you done to me asldkjff
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dinosaurusgede Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No nations want to be seen as "evil" so they justified their cause with any self-righteous ideology they created. Up until now.
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chocopochi Featured By Owner May 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
true. that's why some people would often deny it and still makes up excuses saying "there is a legit reason" why their country did it,and some of them excused it by saying "past is past" or the "past does not affect the present/future", while others even blame other countries.

Probably the biggest Defense mechanism of the world is Denial and the best word to describe them is cowardice.
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Birvan Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah =(
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CatSummoner Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
ugh.. peristiwa ini.. TTvTT
waktu kejadian diriku masih belum begitu paham.
Setelah cukup 'ngerti' trus baca2 lagi di majalah dan internet rasanya memang.. 'jleb' gitu ..."orz
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CatSummoner Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
ups.. maksudku waktu pertama baca artikelnya!
--terlalu esmosi nulis ^^;
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hananoyuuki Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Feeeeelingssssssssssssssss ;AAAAA; jhfksdfldjdslkfjsdklfjlskdjfklsdjflksajd OMG I CANNOT OTL
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sampaguitaxmaganda Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That's the reason why my OC!Philippines dislikes you America
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DelilahHyuuga238 Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I always find there's so much emotion in your comic. I love it. Keep on drawing>,<
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eyena Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
TT~~TT
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raniellkraken Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
Lemme share my USA rant...

Just recently, a USA ship rams over the Philippines' Tubbataha Reef, a marine park that is usually off-limits because of its exotic biodiversity life. It is found at the center of the ASEAN Corral Triangle.

What sets me off is that how USA can't seem to give any explanation on what the hell are they doing there. As of writing this, the ship already incurred 2/3 of damage to the reef due to the strong winds and waves pushing the ship against it.

What saddens me is how the government and my countrymen seems okay with it (majority of them, not all) since it's a US ship and not from China. ow c'mon, i distrust US more than China. >:(

Their very presence alone in the South China Sea makes China suspicious, that's why it's getting aggressive. Seriously, do US wants to start an Asia-Pacific War or something? Why can't he just mind his own business!
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chocopochi Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
First rule of a nation: Never trust a fellow nation. They have the tendency to convert themselves from allies to enemies. I prefer Philippines as a neutral ground.
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dinosaurusgede Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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Urgh, USA.....

Please keep out of everyone's bussiness.
And please stop making Philippines as a proxy theater for your rivalry with China.
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yunlangpo Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes,exactly! The Philippine government was probably okay with it since US is their ally. =3="
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aquamarinetiger98 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I just hate moments like this in history :(

but you did a nice job portraying the emotion, its nicely drawn
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wisteria-fields25 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
Westerns....:iconkilllllplz:
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eyedocjr Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Not all of us are like this you know. :(
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wisteria-fields25 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013
I know, I was referring to the ones from the past, the rulers who only wanted to cause harm to everyone for power even at the price of their own comrades...
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eyedocjr Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ah, yes, I absolutely DESPISE people like that. Thanks for clearing that up for me. :)
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wisteria-fields25 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013
No problem ^^ Peace mad friendship makes the world a gushy pile of goo. The good kind.
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eyedocjr Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:D
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Rustic-Hawk Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
OMG!! AMERICA IS SO COOL!!
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Rustic-Hawk Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Okay... Maybe not so cool... But he really looks like an anti-hero in here :), something that I really like about protagonists.
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Fantastalia Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
He is the antagonist in here.
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Rustic-Hawk Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
o.O... Now I love him MORE!!
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AlexandraAlex Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Student Filmographer
i didn't know that timor had some relationships with russia being communist!! o.O
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AlexandraAlex Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Student Filmographer
THE F*** IS THIS AMERICA!!! O.O
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geekishlynerdy Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You don't really like USA, don't you?
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dinosaurusgede Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh I love USA. I loooooveee USA sooo much.
They got awesome and funny people. Their movies are amazing and great place to visit too. Plus Obama holds Indonesia in high regards and he speaks Indonesia.
My family are USA citizens too after they took refugee when USA back-up our dictator of a president Soeharto. So yeeeeeeaaaaahh, I loooveeee USA for taking our family as refugee after kinda messing with our country politics.
Give me USA a big hug!!!

Oh and USA build oh-so-many USA military bases in Pacific Asia and Oceania. I'm sooo thrilled!
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geekishlynerdy Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You needn't be so sarcastic about it even if you don't like them
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dinosaurusgede Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh no, I like the USA populace, our family lived there and make great friends and neighbours.

I just don't like your leader and their foreign policy ^^
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eyedocjr Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I mean, I think he's awesome, but getting other people's opinions never hurt anyone. :)
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